tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post1153869002700244147..comments2023-04-15T01:34:35.989-07:00Comments on BGBC Survivors: A Few Notes from Julie AnneJulie Annehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-90545880245843877382012-07-09T19:22:46.027-07:002012-07-09T19:22:46.027-07:00I think I'm going to personally alert you when...I think I'm going to personally alert you when I get one of these challenging posts, Terriergal, so I can get your perspective - LOL. Yea, what SHE said!Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-20468822758365077962012-07-09T07:51:02.043-07:002012-07-09T07:51:02.043-07:00Anonymous said:
"My dear sister - you mentio...Anonymous said:<br /><br />"My dear sister - you mentioned you left this church a few years ago because of your concerns and questions and that was perfectly appropriate. However, I do not agree with you going viral about your issues and concerns with respect to this church and the leader. Biblically - you are in error and should repent immediately."<br /><br />So, since you have taken your issue with Julie on-line, can she sue you and silence you on a website over which she has no control? She can certainly do it here, and she didn't. But if you speak what you believe to be the "truth" about her (that being that you think she is in error) on another blog, can she silence you there? If so, maybe you ought to move to an Islamic country where they don't allow people to speak against the "Prophet of God." You might be happier there.terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-82933367312140459392012-07-09T07:46:35.630-07:002012-07-09T07:46:35.630-07:00Mark said "I was the treasurer at that time. ...Mark said "I was the treasurer at that time. I spoke to these two men in private asking them to correct their wicked ways."<br /><br />In a case like, I would never have gone to them alone. I would have called the police immediately and made sure all my ducks were in a row before I breathed a word to anyone in the church that I wasn't sure I could trust 150 percent. They were not engaging in a personal offense against you so didn't require Matt 18 approach. They were quietly and "publicly" sinning against the church and that means step 1 omits all those personal approaches. I might have retained a lawyer and then approached the rest of the elders, but not the guilty parties. It gives them too much time to spin and circle the wagons. Oh well... not much you can do. You acted in good faith and were roundly smacked because of it. Tragic.terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-31943285768753899832012-05-18T14:23:56.561-07:002012-05-18T14:23:56.561-07:00This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever hear...This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. How anyone could think the wing nut running that church is a "spiritual leader" boggles the mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-65421696504301322482012-05-17T10:00:30.265-07:002012-05-17T10:00:30.265-07:00In my 6+ years at BGBC, I observed that Chuck and ...In my 6+ years at BGBC, I observed that Chuck and those with him sure did enjoy being big fish in their little pond. Well, now he has to swim with the big fish in the the worldwide ocean and he's showing that he is not shark enough to take what he dishes out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-88096897802452410062012-05-17T08:17:06.009-07:002012-05-17T08:17:06.009-07:00Well, you see, Lois, he apparently did NOT know Ju...Well, you see, Lois, he apparently did NOT know Julie Anne very well - despite the fact that I was in his church for 2 years, and very active in music ministry. He surely thought the 'lil housewifey would submit to his imagined spiritual authority and yank the blog down in fear of him.<br /><br />Didn't work. He's acting like a bully. I despise bullies who take advantage of people.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-63184987387809792482012-05-17T08:11:52.458-07:002012-05-17T08:11:52.458-07:00"I no longer believe in organized religion be..."I no longer believe in organized religion because of Set Free and my experiences while attending there."<br /><br />Yes, and that is why we need to raise the alarm about spiritual abuse. I'm getting my panties in a wad about churches that make such huge efforts to evangelize and "share the love of Christ", yet abandon their own. Ick. God is not amused.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-28415152255856386602012-05-17T08:09:51.147-07:002012-05-17T08:09:51.147-07:00I'm adding it to my list. Thanks!I'm adding it to my list. Thanks!Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-10697917282573178662012-05-17T08:08:00.413-07:002012-05-17T08:08:00.413-07:00Ok. Thank you.Ok. Thank you.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-60695062473716751622012-05-17T08:07:12.586-07:002012-05-17T08:07:12.586-07:00I want to add to this - I have never harbored bitt...I want to add to this - I have never harbored bitterness toward those who remain. They are blinded and are victims. The former members have been praying for them all along. We love them. We were them.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-65263893438711238662012-05-17T08:05:07.380-07:002012-05-17T08:05:07.380-07:00Thank you for your kind words. Please pray that I...Thank you for your kind words. Please pray that I hear His voice. This must not be about me.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-73739564164559660282012-05-17T08:02:07.317-07:002012-05-17T08:02:07.317-07:00Thanks for the recommendations. I'll make a n...Thanks for the recommendations. I'll make a note of them.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-12458337051297328362012-05-16T23:23:59.904-07:002012-05-16T23:23:59.904-07:00Julie Anne,
We visited BGBC quite awhile ago when...Julie Anne,<br /><br />We visited BGBC quite awhile ago when we moved to the Aloha area. The church had a strange feeling to it. (oppressive) We didn't go back. Praying you have found a good Bible believing supportive Church for you and your family. Stay strong in your faithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-38022069867207794662012-05-16T23:07:12.652-07:002012-05-16T23:07:12.652-07:00Hi Julie Ann,
We were once in an abusive "ch...Hi Julie Ann,<br /><br />We were once in an abusive "church" for 11 years. I won't go into it here.<br /><br />I listened to this about once a month before leaving:<br /><br />http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/nrp-freebies/the-gospel-for-those-broken-by-the-church/<br /><br />and found this book to be quite helpful as well:<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/When-People-Are-Big-Small/dp/0875526004<br /><br />Blessings and Soli Deo gloria<br /><br />A friend in OregonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-23588679648484125842012-05-16T23:04:18.176-07:002012-05-16T23:04:18.176-07:00*Anne hit the nail on the head!! As a child my par...*Anne hit the nail on the head!! As a child my parents where "church hoppers" and I have wittnessed many churchs here in WI and where I grew up in NV that practice cult like ways...Julie, the lord is working thru you!! YOU ARE THE VOICE OF MILLIONS WHO HAVE BEEN VICTIM TO SUCH MONSTROSITY, I APPLAUDE YOU and hold you in highest regards!!!Veronica Rayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221257246993200807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-68045335134953923462012-05-16T22:54:22.883-07:002012-05-16T22:54:22.883-07:00Man, I don't even own a white hanky but I migh...Man, I don't even own a white hanky but I might go buy one just to wave it in agreement with that post!Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-74269549647347090832012-05-16T20:18:37.388-07:002012-05-16T20:18:37.388-07:00Wow....is someone being caught not telling the tru...Wow....is someone being caught not telling the truth regarding some of this? (MacArthur church counsel, how you left) So, so much could be said regarding everything.<br /><br />So for years now they have sat back and allowed comments from you and they have responded to them, had other church members write reviews to hide yours and have had some of yours removed. Now, suddenly in February, years later, it became unbearable days after your blog started and a lawsuit was necessary? What a huge mistake on the pastor's part because it has brought more attention to your blog, him and the church than you could have ever, ever done on your own with your blog. Even if they were to win the lawsuit, what a huge mistake on his part.<br /><br />If things are as you have shared, then do not be afraid of how much huffing and puffing comes your way along with threats to blow your house down. Guard your own heart and mind, be truthful in whatever you say, and stand strong.<br /><br />Regarding help with attorney costs, a thought that came to mind would be to have anything made out to the attorney and not you. Then I do not believe it would interfere with your taxes, but check on that. Just a thought.<br /><br />One main thing I would like to pass along to your readers is that if anyone feels they are part of an unhealthy church and wish to leave, you will want to officially resign as a member. When that happens, the church can no longer attempt to discipline you and should they attempt to, they could face a legal battle. There is an article on my website about this, that was written in response to a woman who sued her former pastor for slander and won. Please see http://spiritualabuse.org/experiences/lawsuits/separation.html <br />and the article about the lawsuit: http://spiritualabuse.org/experiences/lawsuits/mark_fogarty.html <br /><br />I, along with ones from my online support group and Facebook page will be following what happens.<br /><br />LoisLoishttp://www.spiritualabuse.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-1718819574625724232012-05-16T19:32:07.184-07:002012-05-16T19:32:07.184-07:00Do you see that white hanky waving?Do you see that white hanky waving?Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-80348292706910619872012-05-16T19:31:22.823-07:002012-05-16T19:31:22.823-07:00Crystal - we are soul sisters! I know your case. ...Crystal - we are soul sisters! I know your case. It scared the living daylights out of me and compelled me to lawyer up. How are you doing? It's been a long haul for you! Glad you stopped by.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-6851105236575624392012-05-16T18:38:33.905-07:002012-05-16T18:38:33.905-07:00I read some of Chuck's Press Release. What I s...I read some of Chuck's Press Release. What I saw was a very well, thought out, legalistic, reasoning, for suing someone for defamation. I then realized quite plain and simply.<br /><br />1 Corinthians 6:1-11<br /><br />When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous rinstead of the saints? 2 Or do you not know that sthe saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, twhy do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 uI say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, 6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. vWhy not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even wyour own brothers!1<br />9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous2 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,3 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And ysuch were some of you. But zyou were washed, ayou were sanctified, byou were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.<br /><br /><br /><br />Chuck is taking a very simple and very complete statement and doing everything he can to twist it around and justify it for his purposes.<br /><br />Chuck, if you are reading this, let me make this very very clear to you. YOU ARE NOT THE WORD OF GOD. CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD. TWISTING THE WORD OF GOD FOR YOUR OWN SELFISHNESS AND PRIDE IS BLASPHEMY. Figured it might get Chuck's attention if it was all capitals like that. Man that was exhausting, yelling on the internet hurts the eyes.<br /><br />Chuck, I pity you. You have already lost this matter. No humility, no understand, no love, no grace. Chuck, you were supposed to be Christ to the world, instead, you are just an instrument of Satan. And I do not listen to or take stalk in the word of those who twist the Word of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-11389681955532076532012-05-16T18:22:13.274-07:002012-05-16T18:22:13.274-07:00I have been reading through your website and I can...I have been reading through your website and I can honestly say that I can relate. I went to a "church" called Set Free for 10 years and this church you are writting about sounds exactly the same. I no longer believe in organized religion because of Set Free and my experiences while attending there.<br /><br />I don't know if you are aware or not but there is a website about chruchs that abuse. I looked to see if Beaverton Grace Bible Church was listed with them and it is not. You might want to contact Rick Ross (started the website) and let him know what is going on with them and maybe he can do some investagating and possibly put up opinions or information about this church. It also has some great resources that explain what you should look for, or what defines an abusive leader. The website is http://www.rickross.com/ and this link takes you to the forums http://forum.rickross.com/index.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-31039148005368166522012-05-16T18:11:38.223-07:002012-05-16T18:11:38.223-07:00Great Work Folks, you have the right to your Opini...Great Work Folks, you have the right to your Opinion, and to post the facts of what you witnessed or know about from others. This is to warn others and is of the highest and best good. You did the right thing exposing them, keep up the Good Work, I for ONE, have your back. Email me anything you may need, and tell your attorney to feel free to email me as well Crystal L. Cox, Blogger Sued for Defamation in that same court .. SavvyBroker@Yahoo.comCrystal L. Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13098193868431873279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-52929502577248539892012-05-16T17:56:13.818-07:002012-05-16T17:56:13.818-07:00My understanding is that he would pay all attorney...My understanding is that he would pay all attorney fees and filing fees. There are two attorneys involved (1 atty representing 2 defendants and 1 atty representing the remaining 2 defendants) and two filing fees. Each filing fee was $505.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-61579869376717198812012-05-16T17:53:42.796-07:002012-05-16T17:53:42.796-07:00I am curious (not that I doubt, but just want clar...I am curious (not that I doubt, but just want clarification) what sort of fees we are talking about. My understanding is that if he loses he pays them. Is that correct? I have never been sued, so am unsure what kind of fees are associated with this sort of thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-17269676179759174152012-05-16T15:39:37.519-07:002012-05-16T15:39:37.519-07:00Jesus walked in love and exposed the hypocrisy of ...Jesus walked in love and exposed the hypocrisy of false teachers constantly. Study the gospels and you will see why the religious leaders of His day wanted Him killed. <br /><br />Read Matthew 23. Matthew 15:12" Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?" This was after Jesus called the religious leaders hypocrites.<br /><br />Matthew 10:34 " Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth, I did not come to bring peace but a sword..."<br /><br />Acts 20:29-31<br />29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.<br /><br />The book of Jude tells us to "contend earnestly for the faith". We are in a truth war. We must expose evil as Ephesians 5:11 tells us to. 2 Timothy 3:13" Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution." I've heard it said that most persecution will come from religious leaders.<br /><br />I'll end with 2 Timothy 3:9 "but they will progress no further, FOR THEIR FOLLY WILL BE MANIFEST TO ALL..."<br /><br />I recommend the third chapter of 2 Timothy. I recommend the entire Bible!<br /><br />Carry on, Julie Anne!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com