tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post5104500371719593274..comments2023-04-15T01:34:35.989-07:00Comments on BGBC Survivors: Church Lingo? Do They Have Their Own Language?Julie Annehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-63961731768502272962012-12-31T23:51:21.438-08:002012-12-31T23:51:21.438-08:00Yeah, I picked up that practice from the 700 Club....Yeah, I picked up that practice from the 700 Club. <br />Nyssa The Hobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17637244228655409909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-11622054089852465862012-12-31T23:47:24.028-08:002012-12-31T23:47:24.028-08:00And then there's "love on"....What t...And then there's "love on"....What the heck is "love on"? We didn't use that term when I was growing up. But we did say "It's a God thing" in college. Then there were the usual standard phrases whenever somebody stood up to lead the prayer: Father God, we come here tonight to...., we ask you...., bless this food to our bodies (that was my dad's).<br /> Nyssa The Hobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17637244228655409909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-23782867609222962462012-12-31T23:38:48.679-08:002012-12-31T23:38:48.679-08:00One of the benefits of hanging out with Net gamers...One of the benefits of hanging out with Net gamers online is I understood your "teen lingo" there, even though I'm almost 40 and my son is way too young yet. LOL I can even use it without sounding like a poser! :D<br /><br />Miranda's eyebrow twitch is so funny. She's quite the ham, isn't she?<br /><br />I recall looking through classifieds for a church, and knowing to avoid the "spirit-filled" churches because they were Charismatic and we didn't want to deal with speaking in tongues etc. ;)<br /><br />Now in Orthodoxy, the usual code words don't apply, because our doctrine/worship are supposed to be basically the same everywhere. But I still need to learn a new lingo, because what one word means in the Western churches, is different from what it means in Orthodox churches. For example, justification is not a legal term or one-time event in Orthodoxy, but the continuous process of becoming righteous. You can see in the Greek that "righteous" and "justified" come from the same root word in Romans 3:21-24. For another example, salvation is not a one-time event, but a lifelong process. You have to adjust your understanding when converting, or you can get confused.<br /><br />I always understood "biblically-based" as very conservative, traditional viewpoints. Lingo also helps in figuring out the denomination/affiliation of a church when you're going through the classifieds. :) Latter-Day Saints, you know it's Mormon. Full gospel or Apostolic, Pentecostal. Bible church, very conservative. United Pentecostal, unitarian. I don't know if abusive churches use lingo any more than anybody else.... Nyssa The Hobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17637244228655409909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-61817626281912942982012-11-09T11:10:45.475-08:002012-11-09T11:10:45.475-08:00HUG - After a while I caught on and told my husban...HUG - After a while I caught on and told my husband: what's up with that? it's like they think they have a direct line with God in that He gives them all of these special messages. What bugged me the most is: what makes them so special that they get these "words from the Lord" and not us? They must be really spiritual. wowJulie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-34697579865735078952012-11-09T09:53:28.497-08:002012-11-09T09:53:28.497-08:00I do remember that expression and it bothered me, ...<i>I do remember that expression and it bothered me, too. We have family members who were constantly sending us "a word from the Lord".</i><br /><br />Don't know about you, but I am automatically leery of anyone who claims (in words or actions) that God has them personally on speed-dial. I experienced some hilarious-in-retrospect examples of this with my old college roomie.Headless Unicorn Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-61155474626306752952012-11-07T08:19:26.341-08:002012-11-07T08:19:26.341-08:00HA!!! Ok, my church background is quite diverse a...HA!!! Ok, my church background is quite diverse and for the first 8 or so yrs of our marriage, we attended Foursquare, Church of God, or Assemblies of God churches (moved a lot due to military). I do remember that expression and it bothered me, too. We have family members who were constantly sending us "a word from the Lord". They seemed to have an inside connection with regard to prophesies and when the world was going to end, too. Want to know what the prophesy fail rate was? 100% <br /><br />When we confronted them on their failed prophesies and told them what the Bible says should happen to false prophets, they stopped sending us that nonsense. (But they still believe it themselves.)<br /><br />Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-31379959823722314152012-11-07T06:01:18.214-08:002012-11-07T06:01:18.214-08:00YES: Google "Christianese Translator". Y...YES: Google "Christianese Translator". You'll find a lot of really stupid terms that were brought up years ago on Spiritual Abuse Forums. <br /><br />I totally agree with Not Alone on the "discernment" term.<br /><br />It seems that the Charismatic/Pentecostal world has a LOT of these strange code words that other churches just don't use. <br /><br />I'm not familiar with what the Calvinists codes may be, unless I have read them on JAs blog. But years ago I was involved in the Pentecostal world. It's a great world to escape from! It has much insanity, IMHO...<br /><br />Anyone else bothered by someone who runs up to you and says, "I got a word for you." (As if God just spoke to them directly.) But only one little word? <br />Not sure I want to hear it......<br />Sheep-Dognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-387516704381801512012-11-06T13:30:15.678-08:002012-11-06T13:30:15.678-08:00Ken - - You're welcome, friend!Ken - - You're welcome, friend!Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-35668862870543682862012-11-05T19:20:37.135-08:002012-11-05T19:20:37.135-08:00Thanks, Julie Anne, for letting me pray for you! ...Thanks, Julie Anne, for letting me pray for you! I still do, and SO APPRECIATE your prayers for me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-37192791423969622822012-11-05T17:28:04.620-08:002012-11-05T17:28:04.620-08:00I love that, Jess. That is another religiosity tu...I love that, Jess. That is another religiosity turn-off for me: lofty spiritual prayers. <br /><br />I remember the first time I talked with Pastor Ken Garrett on the phone, he asked if he could pray for me. I loved our phone conversation and was fully expecting a prayer like a pastor would normally pray. I was so struck by how genuine and his words were - they were personal, humble, heart-felt, but not the Christianese I am so used to. Wow, it touched me so much - - obviously, it's been probably close to 6 months since I heard that prayer and I still think about it! :) Wonder if Ken is going to read this - I don't think I told him this before. Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-38633916684967478382012-11-05T16:58:08.939-08:002012-11-05T16:58:08.939-08:00I think that's why it's so refreshing to h...I think that's why it's so refreshing to hear a child or a new believer pray, because the prayer is raw and from the heart and not full of the flowery language we sometimes think Prayer (la la la) should be. The Bible says that our yes should be yes and our no, no. It says that our words should have meaning. I don't necessarily think that using Christian buzzwords is any worse than using regular buzzwords (at the end of the day, for example); they are equally wearisome. It's just that we tend to repeat what we hear repeatedly.<br /><br />Interesting topic. I'm taking this as a personal challenge to own the words I use.Jessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-6337864659021317142012-11-05T13:18:13.527-08:002012-11-05T13:18:13.527-08:00You're right, there is "Christianese"...You're right, there is "Christianese" lingo and there are buzzwords or coded language. Sometimes Christianese tries to be so PC. I hear you on the "blessed" topic. It reminded me of another funny word situation. Sometimes Christians go over the top thinking they are compromising their religious beliefs when they use common words. For example, I know someone who refused to say "potluck" because of the word "luck", so she called them "potbless" HAHA!!! things like that crack me up. <br /><br />One time a mom reprimanded me for calling my kids "kids", saying I should be calling them "children" because "kids" are goats. Well, in my world, kids are children. I don't mean any disrespect, it's just what they are. She thought I was belittling them by using that word. Oh, that reminds me of another Christianese: calling children "blessings". I have 7 blessings. Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-73779085369366762932012-11-05T07:40:09.482-08:002012-11-05T07:40:09.482-08:00This is more Christianese than "code," b...This is more Christianese than "code," but I cannot stand the word "season." God is blessing this season in my life..... This is only for a season..... blech!<br /><br />Going back to that word, "blessing." That is a word that sometimes bothers me too. When I hear someone say, "God is blessing us," that makes me want to ask them why God is choosing to bless you, when you have so much, when someone else isn't being "blessed" who could really use some help.Kathihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17246570111457158878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-48024115939726784052012-11-04T18:41:20.301-08:002012-11-04T18:41:20.301-08:00I don't know that I've heard abuse stories...I don't know that I've heard abuse stories in emerging or missional churches. I guess it's everywhere. :(Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-19843176728414516972012-11-04T18:25:02.770-08:002012-11-04T18:25:02.770-08:00I'm sick of people using "emerging church...I'm sick of people using "emerging church" or "missional church". I know one church that claims to be emerging or missional and it is VERY abusive.Tammy Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07880246076836728123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-36331332195725965752012-11-04T10:51:02.310-08:002012-11-04T10:51:02.310-08:00Julie:
No, I'm not making a blanket statement...Julie:<br /><br />No, I'm not making a blanket statement. Sorry, I was not clearer. There are definitely some good churches/pastors out there. Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-31377364124283653732012-11-04T07:35:20.610-08:002012-11-04T07:35:20.610-08:00Tom - are you saying that you think all churches o...Tom - are you saying that you think all churches or all denominations have a power/money focus problem? I cannot make a blanket statement about all churches. The church we left (after BGBC) in OR was not focused on money or power. I know a number of churches/pastors where they seem to have their heart focused in the right direction. Of course no church is perfect, . . . . but if their heart is right, it's a lot easier to overlook a lot of smaller issues. Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-41684729552445537102012-11-04T06:55:09.598-08:002012-11-04T06:55:09.598-08:00Julie:
Sadly, I do not think so. Leadership is s...Julie:<br /><br />Sadly, I do not think so. Leadership is so focused on Power and Money that trusting the Holy Spirit to guide them does not seem to come into their focus.<br /><br />But unless one gets "involved" in the life of the church, it appears to me they do not notice or care.<br /><br />I've seen enough in my life to know something is always going on with the "leaders."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02169869536135058690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-35979037727900512042012-11-04T06:39:00.174-08:002012-11-04T06:39:00.174-08:00That's a good point, Tom. I'm wondering i...That's a good point, Tom. I'm wondering if there are any churches without negative baggage anymore - - - hmmmm?Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-46730066706165525682012-11-04T06:37:18.341-08:002012-11-04T06:37:18.341-08:00Ah - -good word. I've not encountered that wo...Ah - -good word. I've not encountered that word used like that, but can definitely see how it could be used in a "creepy" church setting. Thanks, I will add it to my list!Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-11749373982180093492012-11-04T06:33:28.000-08:002012-11-04T06:33:28.000-08:00I have found that "discernment" is code ...I have found that "discernment" is code for "if you don't believe like the rest of us then you obviuosly are not hearing the Holy Spirit" and so must obviously not be saved. It's a conformist group think thing, the kind of tactic that makes my skin crawl and sends me packing. <br /><br />I can't find a conversation, anymore, in which this word is not manipulative. Not Alonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-53233683241245982642012-11-04T05:39:21.247-08:002012-11-04T05:39:21.247-08:00Julie:
I think there are many Southern Baptist th...Julie:<br /><br />I think there are many Southern Baptist that do not want to tell others they are Southern Baptist because IMO it comes with to much negative baggage.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02169869536135058690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-2343907337457675852012-11-03T23:02:41.336-07:002012-11-03T23:02:41.336-07:00Hey Helltygr: LOL - typing your name :) Ok, I&...Hey Helltygr: LOL - typing your name :) Ok, I'm confused about this part: what you were taught implied "not" to be bible based - - Can you rephrase that for me, please? <br /><br />Ok, the 2nd question. I think you're right - that more people just say Christian and only specify if you ask more specific. I'm not sure why that is, but I seem to remember more people identifying their denomination years ago. <br /><br />Oh, let me try to see if I can explain what I mean by bible-based and see if that clear anything up. In some churches, they seem to want to add the word "biblical" in front of words. I think they use it in a way to make it appear that their way is the right way ie, "biblical" way. I mean, who can argue with the Bible? Let me give an example - there was a parenting program called, "Growing Kids God's Way". Think about it - if you tried another program, you would almost think that the other program was inferior because it wasn't "God's" way. Who would want to compete with another parenting program when this one does it "God's way". <br /><br />My creepo meter goes off when I hear these buzz words because they seem to be trying to hard to convince us that this is the right way that they have to use "biblical" or "gospel" or whatever the buzz word is. Let me know if that doesn't answer your question. <br /><br />Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-42288163309531066342012-11-03T22:24:11.894-07:002012-11-03T22:24:11.894-07:00Thanks, Julie Anne, I (as an atheist, I'll con...Thanks, Julie Anne, I (as an atheist, I'll confess) have been genuinely confused by the idea of "biblical based" practices. I grew up Catholic, and wondered how what I was taught clearly was implied *not* to be bible based? I really and truly have no idea what it is supposed to mean.<br />And I'll stir up controversy.... when I was growing up, I had Baptist friends and Presbyterian friends and Lutheran friends (and many others).... now everyone seems to just be Christian, who happens to attend a certain church. As an adult, I never hear anyone self-identifying with any particular denomination any longer... is that simply my perspective from looking in from the outside, or is that the norm? HellTygrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-54908938633775938242012-11-03T21:31:20.842-07:002012-11-03T21:31:20.842-07:00LOL - so funny.
Oh, and I was wondering if thos...LOL - so funny. <br /><br />Oh, and I was wondering if those 'cued burgers were gospel-centered or just biblical and godly. I need the full meal deal. <br /><br />Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.com