tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post6541243897441358155..comments2023-04-15T01:34:35.989-07:00Comments on BGBC Survivors: "Justice" RespondsJulie Annehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-78130905891490256582012-05-29T09:34:33.871-07:002012-05-29T09:34:33.871-07:00Same story, different people, different church. I...Same story, different people, different church. It's sickening. And also the same result = your sister hasn't gone to church since. It's so sad! Thank you for sharing. This must be stopped.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-78100621716533289312012-05-29T09:30:22.375-07:002012-05-29T09:30:22.375-07:00My sister relayed this story to me yesterday while...My sister relayed this story to me yesterday while I was chatting to her about the BGBC issue: She and her husband had been active members of a church in Ekalaka, MT back in the 80s. After her husband had a heart attack, which resulted in him losing his job, they could no longer afford to tithe but continued to go to services. They started noticing a 'chill' toward them. One day, my sister called the pastor's wife, who <strong><em>hung up on her</em></strong> when she said who was calling! <br /><br />Here they were in a situation where they truly NEEDED the compassion of the church, and had backs turned on them, all because of money.<br /><br />I googled the church and found a single review left by the pastor. I asked if that was the pastor they had, and she said it's not, so it's had at least one new pastor since then. (BTW, I flagged the review as 'conflict of interest' and it's not there this morning.) <br /><br />My sister said that she never felt comfortable in that church since they moved there (or the town for that matter; she got a very strong message that outsiders are not welcomed, which is reflected in the census numbers dropping consistently since the 60s, while the population of the state is growing). It so crushed her that she hasn't been to <em>any</em> church since. <br /><br />She is now very comfortable with owning her own spirituality, and not "receiving grace" through someone else's filter.Ostracon C.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00990563455247754843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-27480858186965384662012-05-22T10:47:48.355-07:002012-05-22T10:47:48.355-07:00AND WE WONDER WHY OUT KIDS ARE LITERALLY BEING BUL...AND WE WONDER WHY OUT KIDS ARE LITERALLY BEING BULLIED TO DEATH IN SCHOOLHOUSES ACROSS THE NATION!!<br />THINK THEY'RE LEARNING IT FROM PEOPLE LIKE CHUCK O'NEAL AND HIS GOONIES??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-51547559213177501272012-05-22T06:51:06.956-07:002012-05-22T06:51:06.956-07:00Spiritual Abuse is one of the clearest and most pr...Spiritual Abuse is one of the clearest and most precisely defined teachings to be found in the pages of the Bible, the Lord Jesus Christ devoted a considerable portion of His ministry to addressing it.<br />The writings of the Old Testament prophets are filled with examples and denunciations of Spiritual Abuse, but perhaps the clearest words ever uttered by such a prophet on the subject of spiritual abuse are found in Ezekiel chapter 34, where I read:<br /><br />The word of the Lord came to me: "Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally. So they were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered they became food for all the wild animals. My sheep wandered over all the mountains and on every high hill. They were scattered over the whole earth, and no one searched or looked for them."<br />~Ezekiel 34:1-6carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07141841840684664127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-41078311128342118852012-05-21T19:12:06.483-07:002012-05-21T19:12:06.483-07:00May I ask: how can you forgive someone who has nev...May I ask: how can you forgive someone who has never asked to be forgiven?<br />How can Jesus forgive someone who never goes to him for forgiveness? <br />True repentence runs both ways and to expect JulieAnne to forgive that man before he has ever even asked to be forgiven seems an awful lot like trying to get her to admit that she is the one who is 'wrong' for calling attention to a problem that is obviously much bigger than you, me or her ever imagined..<br />That man may not be sorry one bit for the things he has been a part of; he may be so stiff necked and arrogant, self righteous and high minded that he thinks himself too 'good' a christian to ask forgiveness..<br />One things is for sure: time will tell his true heart and motives; whether they are for evil or good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-75395549112013378142012-05-21T18:42:03.080-07:002012-05-21T18:42:03.080-07:00Dear Brother David,
JuliAnne may one day be able t...Dear Brother David,<br />JuliAnne may one day be able to honestly forgive her old preacher but right now I believe she is trying to focus on some of the abuses that go on inside the so called 'house of worship' all over this nation so rather than continue to try to rush her, force her or strong arm her into forgiving that man 'right now', just back off and let her do what she feels she is being led to do because honestly David, you are begining to appear just as harsh and heavy handed as the very ones you yourself have spoken about, and I'm pretty sure that is not your intention, right?<br />All of this will get resolved on GODS timetable, and God knows Julie Annes heart and also, God is a PATIENT God so I'm sure he understands completely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-6393463755599226862012-05-21T07:41:11.476-07:002012-05-21T07:41:11.476-07:00Julie Anne,
If you feel Pastor Chuck has an abus...Julie Anne,<br /><br /> If you feel Pastor Chuck has an abusive interpretation of scriptures and if you feel he was abusive to you, did you forgive him?<br /><br /> There is a war going on in the Southern Baptist Convention with Doctrinal Indifference for several years. I have been researching Reformed New Calvinist/Hyper Calvinist movement in an attempt to understand why some of them are so aggressive, when I discovered your blog.<br /><br /> Most of these guys are consumed with Methodology rather than Message and they don't even know it.<br /><br /> If you feel you have been wronged you need to forgive him. I don't see any evidence coming from you in your Blog. And forgiveness should be part of all of our stories.<br /><br />In Christ<br />DavidMr. Inflationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469361613439713660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-50567985022396614992012-05-21T07:13:59.336-07:002012-05-21T07:13:59.336-07:00What Julie is doing is exactly what Rob Bell wrote...What Julie is doing is exactly what Rob Bell wrote on his book, “Blue Elvis’….(now I am not a fan of Rob Bell, but I must say that I really enjoyed it. Not only does Rob do an excellent job bringing Jewish traditions and rabbinical customs into his writing, but he also writes with a bit of humor and satire. <br />Apparently, his book has caused quite a stir at Amazon, but from my initial read, I have to say that I don't see anything written that is contrary to the scriptures (or in Rob's words - my interpretation of scripture...) But the controversy has to be good for something! #484 on Amazon.com! Nice Rob...<br />One of the great points that Rob makes in his book is how many people follow doctrine more than we follow Jesus. He says (describing someone who is all about defending his doctrine):<br />Each of the core doctrines for him is like an individual brick that stacks on top of the others. If you pull one out, the whole wall starts to crumble. It appears quite strong and rigid, but if you begin to rethink or discuss even one brick, the whole thing is in danger. God is bigger than any wall. God is bigger than any religion. God is bigger than any worldview. God is bigger than the Christian faith. ...one of the thigns that happens in a brickworld: you spend a lot of time talking about how right you are. Which of course leads to how wrong everybody else is. Which then leads to defending the wall. You rarely defend the things you love. You enjoy them and tell others about them and invite others to enjoy them with you. The problem with brickianity is that walls inevitably keep people out. Often it appears as though you have to agree with all of the bricks exactly as theya re or you can't join.<br /><br /><br />Thank you, Julie!carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07141841840684664127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-70040504397682787142012-05-21T07:13:16.913-07:002012-05-21T07:13:16.913-07:00I do agree that among the Christian community that...I do agree that among the Christian community that there are "doctrinal differences", in the book of Acts Paul preached the gospel and by people repenting and coming together in one faith and the Christian church began. The Christian church began from teaching and preaching the Gospel. Christians we identify as followers of Jesus Christ, BUT after that came all of these doctrinal…..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations<br /><br />I believe that the church is in disunity because of “doctrinal indifferences” and that is why Paul said in Corinthians. For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?<br />What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul?<br /><br />I believe that God is more concern about His relationship with His children than the doctrinal teaching of men. Do we love God’s commandments more than the teaching of men? There is too many theological squabbling among the Body of Christ. I do believe that God has called Pastors, teachers of the Word, Evangelist to edify God’s people. I believe that God created us for Himself and we as his children gather together to WORSHIP GOD IS SPIRIT AND TRUTH and breaking bread (Word of God) with one another. Do we love the traditional man’s doctrinal teachings than the commandments of God. Interesting, history is repeating itself. Isn’t that one of the reason Jesus was killed?<br /><br /><br />Now let me clarify something, there are pastors and leaders that truly love God and are led by God Spirit and obey His Commandments and lead without compromising the Word of God with convictions and with reverence for the Lord. I love my brothers and sisters in my church, and that include my pastor and leaders. What I had troubled with was the mismanaging of the funds. This has affected and put many that was aware of this in turmoil. But we PRAYED for our Pastor.<br />I mentioned before that there was a blog that exposed the mismanaging of funds and although it brought such pain to my pastor and and to many of us leaders, it was taken as a lesson and it brought my Pastor to repent and be more responsible with God’s money. I believed with all of my heart that God worked it out for good. My Pastor is a repented man and I see a deep reverence of the Lord in him. I do see the fruits of repentance.<br /><br /><br /><br />I really believe that Julie is an instrument to address this kind of abuse. <br /> <br />We were warned about false teacher in the Bible. The Bible forbids us to NOT EVEN EAT WITH THEM. Jesus went away and said that he will send us a helper, the third person Holy Spirit to be our guide and teacher.carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07141841840684664127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-36656434241775810032012-05-20T23:43:31.180-07:002012-05-20T23:43:31.180-07:00This blog chronicles my story and experiences. BG...This blog chronicles my story and experiences. BGBC and Chuck O'Neal are part of my story. Interestingly, people from all over are reading my story and identifying it as "their" story. These kinds of stories need to be told.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-77091998366953369792012-05-20T22:11:12.369-07:002012-05-20T22:11:12.369-07:00Daniel W, (from Anon 11:11)
You're right. Aut...Daniel W, (from Anon 11:11)<br />You're right. Authoring a Wikipedia article for the purpose of public shame and revenge would be sin in itself. My thinking was more along the lines of whatever would be public record such as this lawsuit as well as a "criticisms" section regarding, say, generalities of events indicating his leadership style. Experiences such as you would find on Julie Anne's blog are more of a personal nature and need not be described in detail. It may help others to take note and be watchful before they seek membership at his church. However, if God does a work in his heart and he repents, the Wikipedia account of his past remains and I'm not sure how or if that can be removed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-69845877668485420982012-05-20T11:59:01.655-07:002012-05-20T11:59:01.655-07:00Anonymous,
The Geneva Style Preaching many say i...Anonymous,<br /><br /> The Geneva Style Preaching many say is an attempt by the "Reformed Calvinist" to imitate John the Baptist who they consider a "Fire and Brimstone" Preacher.<br /><br /> I have endured a Pastor who didn't disclosed his Doctrine. What I did identify early in his tenure was "heavy handed" and "abusive" preaching focusing on sin. <br /> His Method as describe in a blog of somebody he mentored was this:<br /> He is guiding the congregation with "Exegetical Style Preaching of Teaching Difficult Text during the Main Sunday Service"<br /><br /> I felt he embraced the "Method" more the "Message" <br /><br /> I made an attempt to identify his Methodology with him but I didn't ask the right questions. He said he was teaching "Truth". He knew I was struggling with his Methodology and all the while he kept his Doctrine a mystery to me and even the Elders of the Church.<br /><br /> I became a "Doctrinal Challenge"<br /><br /> If he had disclosed the 5 Points of TULIP and completely disclosed that he was a "Reformed<br />New Calvinist" at least I could've realized if I was going to leave the Church or stay, much sooner than I did. <br /><br /> He constantly questioned the Salvation of the Congregation going so far as saying that he didn't see enough persecution and suffering in the Church. It never occurred to me that we needed to wear our suffering on our sleeves. <br /><br /> The Church was losing their Joy of knowing Jesus.<br /><br /> When he knew that many were also were struggling he used the pulpit to rebuke the Congregation suggesting that he is there to "Preach the Word" and that he wasn't there to teach "Self-Love" and "Tickle Ears". <br /> He never offered the opportunity for any invitation to seek salvation and make a decision to repent and receive Jesus through his blood for the forgiveness of sins. No alter calls or even within ours pews. I even wondered if he considered himself knowingly saved.<br /><br /> I discovered a couple a months ago he was a Calvinist. When I disclosed it to an Elder he retaliated against the Church and resigned. His ministry looking back was probably focused on "Total Depravity".<br /><br /> There are Congregations that embrace Hyper Calvinism and that is between them and God.<br /><br /> Julie Anne <br /> You have succeeded publicly of raising your concerns of the integrity of certain members at Grace Baptist Church. I'm sure Grace and other Churches are more precautionary in protecting their members.<br /> You have succeeded publicly of disclosing your concerns about "Heavy Handed" Methodologies that many New and Hyper Calvinist embrace. <br /><br /> I watched Adrian Rogers sermon on forgiveness. If you felt that Pastor Chuck embraced an "Abusive" view of scriptures and directed it to you and others you have to forgive him. Like I had to forgive my Pastor.<br /> When I offered my Pastor a heartfelt apology for Judging his Methodology (even though I still didn't know what that was) he refused to forgive me. Claiming I was maligning against him, I later found out he listen to some false gossip about me.<br /><br /> He later preached why he doesn't forgive people using certain scriptures to manipulate and justify why he doesn't forgive.<br /> I finally realized things that he shared in his tenure that he had unresolved issues from his past.<br /><br /> Unforgivness is an ugly poison for anyone to bear. <br />In Matt. 6:15 God commanded us to forgive our brother otherwise he won't forgive us.<br /><br /> I think unforgiveness may be an ugly little sin that many Hyper-Calvinist practice on people they consider a "Doctrinal Challenge".<br /> They make premature and reckless observations and make conclusions about people they don't even know.<br /> Then things get out of hand. <br /><br /> Maybe you should use your blog as way to lead people to Christ. I think you have accomplished raising your concerns. Please erase anything Grace Bible or Chuck O'Neal.<br /><br />In Christ<br />DavidMr. Inflationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469361613439713660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-89823349342536532842012-05-19T23:32:55.887-07:002012-05-19T23:32:55.887-07:00You are most welcome, Chris. I like your name. W...You are most welcome, Chris. I like your name. We have a son named Chris. May the Lord give you strength in this difficult time.Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-79489228617790731712012-05-19T22:19:18.142-07:002012-05-19T22:19:18.142-07:00Thank you for praying. That means a lot to me :)Thank you for praying. That means a lot to me :)Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-9763010418132288172012-05-19T22:18:13.504-07:002012-05-19T22:18:13.504-07:00I really appreciate your kind words and prayers :)...I really appreciate your kind words and prayers :)Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-8824731145520892142012-05-19T17:27:46.626-07:002012-05-19T17:27:46.626-07:00Julie Anne,
I thank God for your willingness to h...Julie Anne,<br /><br />I thank God for your willingness to have a place where other church/spiritual abuse survivors can speak, be heard, and helped. We as believers are asked to help carry one another's burdens. Sometimes, just being able to freely tell our stories starts the healing process. I pray that you and your family are strengthened through this process and that God's hand continues to cover you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-19781627526559788052012-05-19T13:27:34.748-07:002012-05-19T13:27:34.748-07:00Speaking of 'going in for the kill' as Dav...Speaking of 'going in for the kill' as David calls it, I'd like to call attention to something:<br /><br />David wrote:<br />If the Pastor embraced a Reformed Geneva Style Preaching, which a lot of "Reformed" preachers embrace then his style was extremely aggressive.<br /><br />Dave,<br />I wonder how familiar with that 'style' of preaching you are? Do you know where it comes from? <br />Do you know who started it? Also, could you explain to me WHY the name of Jesus has been tagged onto it, as if Jesus himself could or would EVER be so gut wrenchingly evil towards someone who disagreed with him?!<br />Can you show me in scriptures where Jesus Christ EVER had someone burned at the stake for disagreeing with him?! Or where Jesus ordered a group 'drowned' for disagreeing with him?! Can you, David?!<br />John Calvin and Michael Servetus are names I will NEVER forget for as long as I live! <br />IF you do read up on it, be sure to take it ALL in; it's really quite disgusting to say the least and should have Christian preachers and pastors all across the world questioning John Calvins TRUE motives!<br /><br />http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/michael-servetus.htm<br /><br />Julie, I woke up today thanking God for You and praying that He will be with you all the way in this bogus lawsuit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-9306307174170827102012-05-19T12:01:18.434-07:002012-05-19T12:01:18.434-07:00"She may have carried much of these burdens o..."She may have carried much of these burdens on by herself when she should've taken a step back and allow the Holy-Spirit to share those burdens with her."<br /><br /><br />Perhaps the Holy Spirit did share these burdens with me. Could that be a possibility? <br /><br />God can work through all things. Even frivolous lawsuits.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-37802388715142829652012-05-19T09:21:13.810-07:002012-05-19T09:21:13.810-07:00Chris,
What I see that started this mess is &quo...Chris,<br /><br /> What I see that started this mess is "Doctrinal Indifference" that exploded and got out of hand. <br /> <br /> Things got magnified and both Julie Anne and her Pastor began retaliating against each other. <br /><br /> If the Pastor embraced a Reformed Geneva Style Preaching, which a lot of "Reformed" preachers embrace then his style was extremely aggressive. <br /><br /> Geneva Style Preaching can be very "heavy handed" and burden Congregations. I've seen Pastors rebuke members and question their salvation who find it difficult swallowing his "Methodology". <br /> Another words sometimes Pastors force feed their "Methodologies" his down the throats of Congregation Members while proclaiming "Truth" using scriptures to rebuke and defend their "Methodology".<br /><br /> I'm positive that there has been exaggerations on both sides that is the catalyst of the Pastor and Julie Anne of assasinating each others charactor.<br /><br /> Julie Anne has expressed her concerns of certain members integrity, raising awareness within Grace Bible Church and other Churches to take precautionary measures to protect members families. So she has voiced her concerns and accomplished her goals.<br /> <br /> She may have carried much of these burdens on by herself when she should've taken a step back and allow the Holy-Spirit to share those burdens with her.<br /><br /> I have challenged both the Pastor to pull his Lawsuit and for Julie Anne to pull this blog. <br /><br /> I think the both of them are just going in for the "Kill" and if they don't stop this, it is going to end badly for the both of them. <br /><br />In Christ<br /> DavidMr. Inflationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469361613439713660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-65264148392948266212012-05-19T06:54:56.596-07:002012-05-19T06:54:56.596-07:00Thank you, Michelle for your words of encouragemen...Thank you, Michelle for your words of encouragementcarmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07141841840684664127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-37771725168752326482012-05-19T06:47:08.130-07:002012-05-19T06:47:08.130-07:00It's interesting how Christians care more abou...It's interesting how Christians care more about the church's reputation than the abuse of God's people. I believe the blog has become a way for Christian that are spiritually awakening to this matter and that we are not alone. It's a OUTCRY FOR HELP. Pastors and Leaders have powerfull influence on the congregation. As one of the leaders of the church I have come to know many Christians that so Love the Lord Jesus but lack knowledge of God's Word. Christian memorize more what the pastor preaches than the Scriptures. Pastors and Leaders use the Scripture as to defend their position and many times they make you think and feel that you are the one with the problem. And because they are Leaders they know the WAY, The TRUTH, and the way of LIFE. The new sin now <br />is "DON'T ASK QUESTIONS".....just do as you are told and for Jesus. Honestly, I have learned more with reading <br /> blogs like Julie's than the teachings in my church. And what I mean about that is that is that in the blog we expose the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM! <br /><br />After I have posted.....I have prayed so earnestly in regard to my friend's interpretation of that Scripture and asked her what sin did I committ? Her replied was none. Then why did you reprimanded me in such a harsh way? Her replied was "fear"...my heart went out for her and we wept together...leaders are fearful as well....we are simply being told that this is the way it is...orders by our executive Pastor.....In regard to 2Cor 9:7 and she actually believed what it says.....that IT IS OUR DECISIONS TO GIVE ACCORDINGLY! 10% doctrine was taken from old testaments into the new. Its your decision to give your 10% more or less! So my question to her was....who's commandments should we obey?<br /><br />While Leaders and Pastors are well taken care of.....they have the million dollars homes, the cars, stocks, life insurance, dress fashionable, have iPhone, iPads, applle computers, gps, babysitters, children's Education, they eat very well....like good expensive steaks...what I am saying is that they live rather well and comfortly....while many are suffering under this economic crises...many people in the congeagation are unemployed. My church has 12,000 people and half of our members are unemployed! <br /><br />Now with all that being said, you might think that I am speaking like someone who lacks FAITH.....but what I am talking about is BEING PRACTICAL! Proverbs speaks about being wise with what is given to us! The Bible tells us to care for our family and to PROVIDE FOR THEM! I don't believe that Shepherds that oversees God's flock are meant to live better than the sheeps. Their expectations of us is to bring ALL into the store house. And if you don't know YOUR Bible you will get manipulated to these distorted beliefs. <br /><br />Jesus asked Peter do you love me....Peter said yes Lord I love you....then feed and care for my Sheeps! Not feed and care yourselves. <br /><br />I am very thankful for Julie for her Bravery and Courage to take a stand against these wolves that hangs in the midst of God's sheeps. <br /><br />God bless you all that Have taken a stand in the frontline for those Christian that have been wounded in the house of friends.carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07141841840684664127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-69724114517841251122012-05-19T00:02:39.342-07:002012-05-19T00:02:39.342-07:00Hi David,
I'm in a new church, but I'm not...Hi David,<br />I'm in a new church, but I'm not shutting down this blog. Do you not see what is happening here? God is at work. You don't shut down what God is doing, you come alongside!Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-88890980031955537442012-05-18T23:59:45.803-07:002012-05-18T23:59:45.803-07:00Nice to meet you, Chris :)Nice to meet you, Chris :)Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-31411283722075570702012-05-18T23:58:21.263-07:002012-05-18T23:58:21.263-07:00Amen, MisDeaSays!Amen, MisDeaSays!Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4861198333046479177.post-87621483563553626262012-05-18T15:35:51.065-07:002012-05-18T15:35:51.065-07:00Julie Anne,
Geneva Reformed Style preaching is m...Julie Anne,<br /><br /> Geneva Reformed Style preaching is more focused on their own Methodologies rather than the Message itself. The abuses I've witnessed embraces "Judge Theology" that can hold congregations captive the same way the Pharisee's judged the Sinner and Tax Collector.<br /><br /> It seemed the Pharisee's had a problem of forgiving the Sinner and Tax Collecter.<br /><br /> I wonder if there is a spirit of unforgiveness directed at people who are considered Doctrinal Challenges at Grace. If Unforgiveness is haunting anybody including the leadership at Grace, it will poison the Congregation. <br /><br /> I have suffered a great deal from questioning a Pastor's Methodology of which I considered very abusive and unlike anything I ever heard. <br /> The gossip and shunning I experience by a few, topped off by a Pastor that refused to accept my heart felt apology for Judging his delivery of Scriptures, because he listen to reckless and false gossip from his friends, wasn't worth it.<br /><br /> I know he was carrying previous pain at certain members of a former church and possibly from the pain of growing up in a broken home, directed toward a parent.<br /> Meaning he may have harbored unforgiveness that he brought into our church. His last sermon taught, he is going to "watch who ever" before he accepts an apology or forgives someone.<br /><br /> I lost a lot of sleep asking God to guide me. I'm sure you have as well. Ask God to put closure in this matter, which is what I did.<br /><br /> The only thing I can offer you is end this lawsuit, by ending this blog as fast as you can and go find another church, because this is true God is going to judge us all.<br />(the Pastor's case is weak, based on what I read on Grace website)<br /><br /> In my situation I quit attending. (being the only church with a preacher in town, made it difficult)<br /><br /> The problem goes beyond Calvinism. <br /><br />Julie Anne,<br /> The best advice I can give you is find a good Christian Church that teaches the Bible. Find a Preacher with a balanced and sound Bible Doctrine who isn't consumed with "Methodology". If you don't here any teaching of God's commanding us to unconditionally forgive one another, run away as fast as you can. <br /> <br /> It could take awhile in finding a good church because "Geneva" or "Heavy Handed" abusive type preaching is becoming withspread in the SBC. I would check to see where your Pastor attended seminary.<br /><br /> I would avoid going National with this, and rely on God to take care of this matter.<br /> When I see your story on "Google" under the Huffington Post one of the most Liberal online newspapers it saddens me, because it may give all of us a spiritual black-eye.<br /><br />In Christ<br />DavidMr. Inflationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469361613439713660noreply@blogger.com